Finding A Balance with Chelsie Moore
Show Notes:
If something isn’t talked about, you usually assume it isn’t a problem, right? Today’s guest would disagree, especially because this seems to be the trend when it comes to brain injuries or concussions! Welcome back to another episode of the Post Concussion Podcast, where you’ll hear from Chelsie Moore, the founder of Moore Integrative Health. After years of not being able to find any solutions and wanting to get back to the things she loved, like being outdoors and mountain biking, Chelsie began to search elsewhere for relief from her daily battle with anxiety, depression, fatigue, and insomnia. She has completed a number of training programs and schoolings, such as yoga therapy, her masters of science in clinical nutrition and integrative health, training in amino acid therapy through the academy for addiction and mental health nutrition, as well as training in clinical applications for neuroinflammation with the Kharrazian Institute. She also happens to be on the board of directors for Save a Brain, Kelsey Boyer’s Foundation, which you will hear more about in episode three. Chelsie believes that we all have to do our part in making this world a better place and this initiative is her way of doing so! Tune in today to find out more.
Key Points From This Episode:
• Chelsie starts by sharing about her injuries and the story behind what happened.
• How she manages her current symptoms and why can’t burn the candle at both ends.
• How brain injuries affect your body’s ability to detoxify; damage to the lymphatic system.
• Chelsie shares how she takes binders to help pull toxins out of her body; keeping it clean.
• Overcoming societal standards and mindsets: there’s nothing wrong with pacing yourself!
• Hear what lead Chelsie to want to help others; there are multiple ways to face a life-altering experience.
• The Moore Integrative Health approach and the biochemistry side that supports the body in getting back in balance.
• How Chelsie uses and adjusts your diet to help with your immune system.
• Her favorite tools to look at hormones, including Dutch panel and bioenergetic testing.
• The importance of understanding that this is not a one-quick-fix, but a long-term process that requires commitment.
• Some tips for controlling “neuroinflammation” at home, like a gluten, dairy, and sugar-free anti-inflammatory diet (but it’s different for everyone)!
• How liposomal turmeric and liposomal resveratrol can help reverse neurological inflammation.
• Chelsie talks about The Concussion Cookbook and the inspiration behind it.
• Her thoughts on the term post-concussion syndrome versus persistent concussion symptoms.
Connect with Our Guest:
Follow Chelsie on Instagram @mooreintegrative
Get started with Moore Integrative Health www.mooreintegrativehealth.com
Check out The Concussion Cookbook
Follow Post Concussion Inc on Social Media to stay up to date on the podcast
Transcript - Click to Read
[INTRODUCTION]
[0:00:05.2] BP: Hi, I’m your host, Bella Paige, and welcome to The Post Concussion Podcast, all about life after experiencing a concussion. Help us make the invisible injury become visible.
The Post Concussion Podcast is strictly an information podcast about concussions and post-concussion syndrome. It does not provide nor substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or another qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition.
Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast. The opinions expressed in this podcast are simply intended to spark discussion about concussions and post-concussion syndrome.
[INTERVIEW]
[0:01:03.3] BP: Welcome to today’s episode of The Post Concussion Podcast with myself, Bella Paige, and today’s guest, Chelsie Moore. Chelsie is the founder of Moore Integrative Health. After years of not being able to find any solutions and wanting to get back to the things she loved — like being outdoors and mountain biking — she began to search elsewhere for relief from her daily battle with anxiety, depression, fatigue, and insomnia.
Chelsie has completed a number of trainings and schoolings such as yoga therapy, her masters of science in clinical nutrition and integrative health, training in amino acid therapy through the academy for addiction and mental health nutrition, as well as training in clinical applications for neuroinflammation with the Kharrazian Institute.
She also happens to be on the board of directors for Save a Brain, Kelsey Boyer’s Foundation, which you can hear more about in episode three. Chelsie believes that we all have to do our part in making this world a better place and this initiative is her way of doing so.
Welcome to the show, Chelsie.
[0:02:07.5] CM: Hi, thanks for having me.
[0:02:09.4] BP: To start, do you want to tell everyone a bit about your injuries and what happened?
[0:02:13.3] CM: Yeah. I grew up racing dirt bikes and that was not the kindest of sports to grow up on as a kid, turns out. I started riding dirt bikes when I was about eight years old, eight to 10 and I rode dirt bikes up until I was around 20 years old and in that timespan, I probably had roughly eight to 10 concussions. At that time, there wasn’t a lot of research and knowledge on concussions and especially in such a masculine sport, there wasn’t like the energy of like, “Okay, make sure you take care of yourself.” It was just, “Keep going”.
I would knock myself out at the track and break my nose, have blood all over my face and I would literally get back on my dirt bike and ride again the next day. Brain injuries, concussions, taking care of your brain was not talked about. Around that timespan, I probably, I think I had about three – no, two ambulance rides. Both of which I was unconscious for and had other broken bones.
My brain wasn’t assessed, it was pretty much like just fix the broken bone. By the time I was around 25 and granted, you know, I turned – when I turned 19, I left for college. I somehow, I was a straight A student in college, graduated at the top of my class, of course, no one suspects anything but I had this underlying crazy anxiety, I dealt with depression, I have always been pretty introverted but I was starting to realize that my introversion was due to just not being able to cognitively handle being in crowds and being really sensitive to noise, being really sensitive to external stimuli.
I did not go to parties in college like, I could not handle that sort of thing. I just thought, you know, that’s just my personality. Then, I progressively watched certain qualities within myself get worse and I would obviously try to make up for it in other areas as I started to get on to my 20s, it was like, “Well, why can’t I do these things?” Obviously, you just try to mask the problem by drinking alcohol or forcing yourself to do these things. I progressively felt my brain degenerating and during that time, I was mountain biking and snowboarding and I had another couple of concussions and then it wasn’t until I went over the handlebars on my mountain bike and broke my collar bone and had to have two surgeries.
It was like game over. It was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back. I think my brain capacity and like my brain function just really hit a wall. I ended up quitting my job and, finally, it was kind of like the universe shaking me like, you need to start taking this seriously. I ended up going back to school, I went to school for clinical nutrition and integrative healthcare with the focus in nutritional psychology and brain health and then I started studying concussions like crazy.
Learning what I could do to reverse a lot of the damage that I had essentially done to my own brain and figure out the tools that I could incorporate into my life to essentially tell my brain that I was sorry and you know, do what I could to take care of it so that I can live out the rest of my life in a way that I know that I want to.
Yeah, I think at 25, it was when I was forced, completely changed my lifestyle around, make smarter decisions with the sports that I was doing and obviously, my approach to the sports that I was doing and then yeah, changed my diet around. I have pretty much done everything there is to do in the concussion recovery space for myself so I have a lot of knowledge on all of it but yeah, that was my entry into the concussion and brain injury world.
[0:06:30.1] BP: For sure, I know a few of your comments are pretty similar to mine, especially the – when you break a bone, they focus on that and not your head, really common. I still remember I went in for a stomach ache, I went in for a headache, mentioned to my mom I had a stomach ache and then they scanned my stomach and I was like, “No, my head is the problem here,” and I was like, they don’t want to focus on it.
[0:06:54.6] CM: Yeah, when you don’t have a background or education in this world, you essentially are at the mercy of whoever you show up to go see and in my case, no one ever thought to talk about my brain. If it’s not talked about, you just assume it’s not a problem and then when things start to go awry years later, you aren’t connecting it to those sports injuries that you had and you assume that that depression, that anxiety, that irritability or the intense feelings of anger that you feel are just you but it’s not.
That’s where I think there’s this major gap in knowledge and understanding because it’s an invisible injury, right? You can’t see it, it’s not like a broken arm. It’s a very challenging thing to go through.
[0:07:45.7] BP: Yeah, I always wanted to wrap myself in bandages and walk around. I thought then people could understand it better, it doesn’t work that way. How do you manage your current symptoms, do you have any still?
[0:07:59.3] CM: Yeah, that’s a great question. There’s definitely some things that I’ve just permanently had to change my lifestyle around, right? As many of us have, to where I’m so used to my lifestyle that I’m like, “Yeah, I’m fine, I don’t have any symptoms anymore.”
I can’t burn the candle at both ends. I think that’s the major thing that anyone who has been through multiple concussions or one severe TBI is going to have to learn to understand is that, you can’t go back to burning the candle at both ends and working 80 hours a week or partying multiple times throughout the week. Alcohol is definitely a thing of my past. I haven’t had any alcohol in three years and actually, that has been the greatest decision I’ve ever made in my life.
I am sensitive to toxins in my environment so for the last few years, I was living in a moldy house and I didn’t know it. I started to feel a lot of my brain symptoms crop up again and it almost felt like, “Okay, I’m just not getting better.” The reality was is t hat I had developed mold toxicity which essentially had created this whole other massive layer on top of what I was already dealing with and after a brain injury to begin with, your body doesn’t detoxify as efficiently as it used to, especially your brain.
Your brain has its own detoxification system called the lymphatic system and after multiple concussions, your brain is just more susceptible to toxins and your body’s less efficient at detoxifying so because I was living in a moldy house and I already had a sensitive brain, my body just became so mold toxic.
I had a bunch of new symptoms crop up and then I finally figured it out last spring. It was like, “Oh my gosh, I am mold toxic.” That’s what I’m really focused on now, I’ve done the whole functional neurology route. My specialty is pretty much all things biochemistry as it relates to concussions, so diet, neuroinflammation, hormones, toxicity, stuff like that. I did the whole functional neurology route of recovery. I’ve all done all the biochemical work on myself and then yeah, finding out the mold piece.
Now I’m like just so hyper-focused on making sure that my detoxification pathways are open, I got an infrared sauna at my house so I’m using my sauna regularly just to make sure that I’m constantly sweating toxins out of my body. Uncorrelated as this seams, I carry binders with me everywhere and essentially, binders help bind the mold toxins in your system and pull them out of your body.
When I have a lot of my symptoms pop-up, I’m pretty much associating a lot of it with – I was – had some sort of a chemical or toxin exposure and I’ll take binders and I’ll instantly feel better. It’s something that most people wouldn’t ever think of during concussion recovery but toxicity and you know, making sure that I’m constantly trying to keep my body and my brain cleaned out has been the most crucial thing for me. That’s more I think going to be a long-term maintenance strategy for me.
[0:11:11.9] BP: For sure, I get the whole, you forget that you’re not okay because you’ve been living with it for so long and then the whole 80-hour work week, yeah, I did that. I was doing my master’s and this, and my whole body just chopped out like it was like what are you doing?
[0:11:26.8] CM: It’s a lot, yeah.
[0:11:28.4] BP: You can’t do everything.
[0:11:30.6] CM: No, you can’t just jump right back into it. I didn’t – my Master’s degree with – went through the thick of this and fortunately, I decided I did it online because I knew that it would be easier for me than going to school but that was all I could do. You really have to pace yourself. All my co – or other students in my program, my colleagues were all working full-time jobs while going through the program, I was like, “This is all I can handle.”
Yeah, you just have to pace yourself and honestly, what’s wrong with that? There’s nothing wrong with that, I don’t know, I think we just as a society think like, “I have to be successful, I have to be – I have to get a master’s degree, I have to get a PHD. I have to rack all of these accomplishments, otherwise, what else am I worth in this world?” but that’s false.
That’s more of a mindset thing that I’ve had to wanting to overcome and I think is one of the biggest challenges for anyone facing post-concussion syndrome that your experience is going to change your life but you have to look at it as changing your life for the best and you know, finding balance I think is something everyone should have and we are fortunate enough to be forced to have to find balance.
[0:12:51.1] BP: That’s what happened, I had to do something because I was like crashing essentially from this and everything else that I’m running with the concussion side of things and then trying to do school. I was on a screen for 60 to 80 hours a week and I was done. I lasted four weeks, my friend was like, “What are you doing to yourself?” What led you to want to really help others with all of this?
[0:13:16.2] CM: Well, as I’m sure you understand, seeing as you started a podcast after going through this, when you go through something that is this life altering and really rocks you to your core and forces you to take a long hard look in the mirror and really understand what matters in life. It kind of puts you in a position of really wanting to share that with other people because you’ve been through it.
It’s given me this sense of empathy and I guess, sympathy for the life experience of other people and because of how determined I was to heal my brain and find the tools to get my own life back, it made me feel like there’s multiple ways that you can look at an experience like this. You can let it destroy your life or you can look at it as an opportunity and for me, I looked at it as you know, an opportunity to leverage everything that I’ve learned through that experience to be able to share it with other people because there’s no paved path for this stuff, its people sharing their experiences.
Right now, I mean there’s not a ton of research and brain injuries or concussion recovery. Until there is a well paved path that people can essentially just open a book and know exactly what they need to do and it will work for everyone, there needs to be people like you and myself and everyone else out there that is doing their part to share what they’ve learned and share stories and so, I just have always felt that that’s an important part of what has come out of my experience.
[0:15:01.6] BP: I think it’s great that so many things are popping up like even since I started a few months ago, lots more organizations are popping up — foundations, businesses — just to try to help because there is a huge gap. We’re missing a lot of people that the concussion world needs and it’s good that people are starting to step up and try to even learn about it because it’s still really a mystery.
[0:15:26.9] CM: Yeah, there is a huge gap for sure.
[0:15:30.2] BP: What type of approach does more integrative health take because I know you do it a little bit differently, do you what to talk about that?
[0:15:39.0] CM: Yeah, I’m very diet and lifestyle focused. Obviously, I use supplements and nutraceuticals and herbal protocols where necessary. The approach that I take is essentially, I’m working on the biochemistry side of things to support the body and coming back into balance. It wraps its arms around everything from neurological inflammation.
Turning off the neuroinflammation vicious cycle essentially, when you have multiple concussions or brain injury, your brain’s immune system essentially gets turned on. Until you do all the right things to turn that cycle off, it continues to rage like a fire in your brain and interfere with a lot of normal neurological processes. It interferes with your neurotransmitters, it interferes with your neuronal signaling, it interferes with mitochondrial health and how your neurons are burning fuel for energy.
It interferes with everything. That’s an important piece that I work on, there’s a huge diet component. I do a lot with using diet to help calm the immune system down using diet to calm inflammation down, which is essentially an overactive immune system.
Then, I look at your pre-brain injury toxicity levels and just the burden your body is carrying from the lifestyle that you live, everyone goes into their concussion or brain injury with a different level of health. I typically find that if someone was particularly toxic, they had gut dysbiosis or microbiome imbalance, candida infection or anything like that prior.
It’s more challenging for them to recover, they all end up having stronger symptoms after a concussion. I do a lot with assessing gut health, understanding if their gut is inflamed if they have any degree of leaky gut or gut dysbiosis. Now, after my experience with mold toxicity and that’s a key part of what I look at because some people are living in a moldy house when they have a brain injury and so they’re being constantly exposed to these mold toxins that are so neurotoxic and so that is a major barrier to recovery for a lot of people and then hormones, I do look at hormones. My favorite tools for looking at hormones is either a Dutch panel, which is a urinary metabolite tests to look at all of your comprehensive list of hormones. I also like looking at bio energetic testing. A company called Balanced Health does bio energetic testing where they look at pretty much all of the systems in your body and try to figure out what’s out of balance and what’s a priority to bring back into the balance from energetic standpoint.
It’s all foundational things, I’m really looking at the person’s, you know, these foundational elements of a person’s health in understanding how to fine tune all of these dials on this master board of their health foundation to slowly start to strengthen all of the systems of their body because if you strengthen all of the systems like you strengthen your lymphatic system, you strengthen your liver, your kidneys so that you’re detoxifying efficiently, you strengthen your cardiovascular health so that you’re getting more blood and oxygen throughout your body, all of that is going to help your brain to heal.
To me, it’s a full systems approach. You can’t just put a band aid on your brain to use that analogy and expect everything to go back to normal. I take a very integrated approach, so I’m really trying to support all systems of the body and to strengthen the terrain of the body as much as possible so that the brain has the best fighting chance of recovery and repairing and healing and creating new neural pathways.
[0:19:49.2] BP: Yeah, I really love that. There is so much to your health in general and everything your brain that connects to all of it, so it is definitely important to take an aspect and look at everything because I find a lot of people do one therapy and then they’re like a long-struggling issues where you have to look at the whole picture.
[0:20:07.7] CM: Yeah, I try to put as much, you know, many words and things as I can through my Instagram and my program that I have but there’s so much to say like — but the one major thing is I really hope people understand that there’s not – it is not a one quick type quick fix. There’s not one thing. This is a long-term process and it takes dedication, it takes commitment to yourself. It takes overly good mindset and you have to understand that it’s a full systems approach and there is multiple things that are going to help you, so just keep at it.
[0:20:47.9] BP: Yeah and that commitment is hard like really hard and when I was younger and I started going through all the therapies and I worked with nutritionists and dieticians and I did pretty much every therapy people can list and when I remember I would just quit sometimes. I’d be like, “I am done. I just want to be a normal teenager and I just want to live my life” and I’d take like a few months off and obviously, my symptoms would get worst but it’s a long road and it is hard to stay committed to it. I was just mentally be like, “I need a break.”
[0:21:21.8] CM: It’s exhausting.
[0:21:22.6] BP: From having a schedule of when I eat, how I eat, all my diet, what I’m swallowing – like pills at certain times, if I can take them with food or without food, and what time? If I take it too late, I can’t sleep like all of those kind of things, yeah.
[0:21:37.2] CM: Oh yeah, I am very familiar and you know what? That’s hard for me with all of my clients to be like, “I know this sucks however it works. You just have to live with it” that’s the hardest part and there’s times where I’m like, “I don’t want to take supplements anymore” however, I stopped taking a lot of what I know is my foundational supplements and I don’t feel that great so whatever. If they help me live the life that I want to live, it’s not the end of the world for me to take a few supplements a day and yeah, there are worse things to have to go through.
[0:22:11.9] BP: Right, yes. I take mine everyday but I do remember sometimes getting annoyed.
[0:22:16.8] CM: For sure, everyone’s been there.
[0:22:18.1] BP: I have the daily like Sunday to Saturday pill packs that I fill so that I can keep track because — I can’t keep track without them and I know sometimes I’m like, “I just want this to go away,” but I’ve gotten better now that I am older but when you’re a teenager in high school trying to do this, it’s even harder because your friends look at you like you’re weird when you pull out your pill pack at lunch but it gets better and you get used to it and then eventually it’s just part of your daily life you know? I don’t even think about it anymore, just take them.
[0:22:52.5] CM: Yeah, for what it’s worth, I’ve got about 70 clients who are all taking their supplements everyday so we are all not alone.
[0:22:58.9] BP: Yeah, no. Definitely not, so you can connect with Chelsie on her own website mooreintegrativehealth.com as well as @mooreintegrated on Instagram. Both will be found in our episode description and show notes so you don’t have to remember them right now but with that, let’s take a break and be sure to stay tuned for our talk on more information and Chelsie’s concussion cookbook.
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[INTERVIEW CONTINUED]
[0:23:53.6] BP: Welcome back to The Post Concussion Podcast with myself, Bella Paige, and today’s guest, Chelsie Moore. Something we were talking about is neuroinflammation, which for me, I always felt like my head was on fire and it is a really common thing I always was like, “My head is burning.” Do you have any tips on how to control that hot head feeling that are kind of simple that someone could try at home?
[0:24:19.9] CM: Yeah, so you know, neuroinflammation the best analogy that I have is it feels like your brain is on fire. Physically, it feels hot but then also like your cognitive processing feels like it’s on fire. It feels like you have a stampede running through your brain and while there is also a band playing in your head — a million miles an hour. It’s like all of your neurons feel like they’re firing at one time and you can’t make sense of anything and so it manifests this as an intense anxiety.
You get really irritable, you know that anger crops up and just feels like everything up there is on fire. As I’m sure you know, there is not a one simple answer to that. The biggest foundational piece of getting that fire under control is to overhaul your diet and to really focus on being on an anti-inflammatory diet, which looks different for everyone. I always say that the first later of an anti-inflammatory diet is gluten, dairy and sugar-free. Focus on real foods, vegetables, fruits, organic grass-fed meat, wild caught fish, nuts and seeds.
Getting more aggressive with your diet, you could choose to go on an autoimmune paleo diet or a ketogenic diet. The ketogenic diet is really hard to maintain when you have a brain injury to begin with, so I generally start slow, start easy and slowly progress but then, you know, some of the major things that have been really helpful for me in getting that inflammation to calm down in my brain has been liposomal turmeric and liposomal resveratrol.
Both of those are really, really potent for helping to modulate your brain immune connection and the brain immune access in really helping to reverse that neurological inflammation that sets in. Yeah, those two products have been really, really beneficial for me and I use them a lot with clients and they’re really good for just kind of instantly over the course of a couple of weeks helping to mitigate a lot of the neuroinflammation symptoms.
[0:26:32.3] BP: I like that you said it do it slowly. I find a lot of people are like, “Oh I tried this diet, I tried this diet,” but that’s really hard on your system to just jump and caught everything out of your – that you’ve been eating and go from nothing to a 100, right? It’s important to take steps as you do it.
[0:26:51.5] CM: Yep.
[0:26:52.7] BP: Along with the whole diet, how is The Concussion Cookbook? Can you tell us about that?
[0:26:58.7] CM: Yeah, so I’m really excited about that. That actually came out today and we sold out all of the hard copies in one night. We did not plan for that much excitement. I wrote The Concussion Cookbook to be really user-friendly. I’ve read so many concussion and brain injury books out there, so many books on the ketogenic diet, so many books on intermittent fasting and you know, I think these books are written and well-intentioned delay by the authors to provide as much scientific information as possible and they are so hard to read for someone that doesn’t have a master’s degree on this stuff like I do.
You know, I read through these books and like it makes sense to me but I’m like, “I can’t get a lot of my clients to be able to make it through a 400-page book where every other word is a super-scientific word.” I culminated a lot of my knowledge and tried to put it in relatively basic English and it’s shorter. I really hit the highlights like, “Eat these foods, don’t eat these food and here’s all of your meal plans.” Here’s all of the recipes that you can make that focus on the foods that you should be eating, a lot of the foods that you shouldn’t be eating to allow your brain to heal and then I just touched the basics on what your brain needs.
Your brain needs a lot of fats, healthy fats, the right fats like omega threes and a little bit of omega six’s. I just talk about the basics. I think a lot of the books out there assume that everyone has knowledge of nutrition. Not a lot of people have foundational nutrition knowledge, so I try to make it a little bit more digestible because I know that the concussion and brain injury community is not going to be able to sit down and read a 400-page scientific literature novel on the ketogenic diet.
[0:28:56.3] BP: No, for sure.
[0:28:57.0] CM: Nor will they likely be able to do and maintain a ketogenic diet, so it is not a full-blown ketogenic diet book. A lot of the recipes are high in fat but you know, for the purposes of it being a very introductory tool that’s someone that’s just getting into this work could use, it’s perfect for them. I’m really excited about it.
[0:29:18.8] BP: No, I think it’s great and I love the simplicity idea of it because you’re already overwhelmed by so many things when you are going through a brain injury, so it’s nice that it’s straight to the point. You are not overwhelmed when trying to take the right steps, right? There is a lot, diet stuff is hard and when – most people have no idea what any of this stuff means like no idea.
[0:29:46.4] CM: You know, when I first started writing it I was like, “Oh gosh, who am I speaking to?” because you know I could easily write a 400-page book on all of these stuff and make it super scientific and try to give all of my knowledge to make myself feel super smart and it would probably appeal to other people that have a master’s degree in this stuff but it is not going to speak to the people that really need it and I think that’s where a lot of books in the functional medicine world sort of miss the mark is that you know, I can read a lot of books in the functional medicine world and I’m like, “Yes, I understand all of this because I have a master’s degree in it” but the people that really need it can’t sit down and digest that information.
Yeah, I’m glad that I went the route that I did because I have made sure it’s easy for a lot of people to decide to go the other route and then yeah, you bypass a lot of people that can’t digest that information.
[0:30:48.4] BP: Yeah, I don’t even read books anymore. I do audio books because it’s not worth losing all of my energy just to read a book, so I get that for sure. Something that is coming up a lot especially on social media is the terms post-concussion syndrome versus persistent concussion symptoms. As someone who is in the field of helping people with their brains, what are your thoughts on that?
[0:31:16.9] CM: My thoughts are that these terms haven’t been solidified or very well-defined in the field. I think all of this is very new. When I first started going through all of my stuff it was referred to as post-concussion syndrome and now it’s being referred to as persistent concussion symptoms. You know, post-concussion syndrome has essentially been defined as concussions symptoms that are lasting much longer than what the anticipated recovery timeline would be, so you are looking at months to years.
Persistent concussion symptoms, the terms are very loosely defined I think and from my perspective and the way that I practice, I don’t get too caught up on that terminology because essentially, it’s the same person struggling with the same thing and this work is going to benefit both of them equally. The way that I practice, I don’t really like getting caught up in definitions and diagnosis that people are coming to me with. I look at the body from a completely different perspective and I understand what systems of their body seemed to be under the most stress and the most burdened.
I don’t like to get too caught up on like labels and putting definitions on people like if they are struggling, they’re struggling. I don’t need to define that, I don’t need to send them to some doctor to get the right diagnosis or them to put the right label on them. It doesn’t make a difference to me if that makes sense.
[0:32:56.5] BP: No, for sure.
[0:32:58.2] CM: Yeah, I think there is just a lot of loose terminology being used and as the time goes on and it will become more defined but for the time being, I just want to help people so I don’t care what label they come to me with.
[0:33:12.1] BP: Yeah, no I like that and it is really lose like sometimes, I’ve always been used it as post-concussion syndrome that’s what I learned it as and then people are telling you to use different terms and not use that term and use this term and sometimes it’s not even persistent concussion symptoms. There is a couple others out there that are being used so it’s quite the range and I was just curious because some people are really glued to it.
I do like the idea that it doesn’t really matter, you know that there is something wrong and you need to work on it, so it’s a good perspective.
[0:33:49.5] CM: Sure, I’ll have to fix it 10 million times between now and the next five years, which I’ll happily do but you know, for me it’s like I don’t want to waste my energy on figuring that out. If someone had a concussion or a TBI and they are really struggling and it’s been a long period of time, I am going to do my best to use the tools in my toolbox to help them instead of wasting everyone’s time and energy trying to find the right label for them.
[0:34:13.5] BP: For sure. Is there anything else you would like to add before ending today’s episode?
[0:34:19.2] CM: Just that I’m grateful for people like you that have used the brain injury energy that they do have to help other people and to share people’s stories so thank you and if anyone is looking to get a hold of me, you can visit my website at mooreintegrativehealth.com and I have a lot of resources, supplement protocols and a three-month concussion recovery program that I deliver virtually, so I’ve got a lot of great resources and options for people to really help improve their health. Yeah, thanks again for having me.
[0:34:54.1] BP: Make sure everybody to check that out because I’m sure by the sound of it, you can really help a lot of people, which is wonderful so thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your insights on living post-concussion.
[0:35:06.2] CM: Thank you.
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