Preventing Brain Injuries Through Nature’s Secrets with Dr. David Smith
Show Notes:
Ever wondered how an egg in a mason jar could hold the key to groundbreaking advancements in brain injury protection? Join us as we unravel this intriguing concept with our esteemed guest, Dr. David Smith, a pioneering figure in the realm of traumatic brain injury. Drawing from his diverse background in chemistry, physics, and medicine, Dr. Smith has devoted his life to protecting and rehabilitating the human brain.
Our chat with Dr. Smith takes us through a stimulating journey of the slosh theory, an inventive application of physics that has profound implications for traumatic brain injury prevention. You'll be captivated by the tangible illustration of this theory, where an egg experiment vividly demonstrates the effects of buffering space on impact forces. Furthermore, we delve into the tangible effects of Dr. Smith's innovative devices, including the QCollar, and the intricate process of bringing life-changing technologies to those in need.
Tune in to our engrossing exchange with Dr. Smith, and let's bring much-needed visibility to the invisible injury of concussion together.
Learn more about Dr. David Smith: https://davidsmithmd.com/
When Heads Come Together: Discovering Nature’s Secrets for Preventing Traumatic Brain Injury book: https://a.co/d/65zULfI
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Bella
Host
00:03
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01:40
Welcome to episode number 106, the Post Concussion Podcast with myself, Bella Paige and today's guest, Dr David Smith. Dr David is a board certified as an internal medicine specialist, now retired, with prior recognition as a visiting scientist for the Human Performance Laboratory for the Division of Sports Medicine in Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, west Virginia University Division of Neurosurgery and North Shore's Division of Neurosurgery and North Shore Neurological Institute, chicago Illinois. Over his 30 year internal medicine career, dr Smith has served as chief of medicine at his local hospital and has found the life sciences companies Exonovate Medical, tbi Innovations and Delta Chase LLCs as chief science officer. He has served and designed as a lead designer and consultant to GlaxoSmithKline, gentexcorp, and Dr Smith has more than 40 patents and 25 peer reviewed publications in many diverse fields. In conjunction with his background in analytical chemistry, with an added emphasis in physics and a fix to his medical career, have all have allowed him to bring a better understanding of energy and directions and impressions to the human body, particularly useful and traumatic brain injury.
02:58
Now, if you just want to hear my bio, or Dr Smith, david, as an incredible human, tooka lot of look at how nature can relate to brain injuries and really what we can use from what animals have as a natural mechanism and applied to us to help prevent brain injury, treat brain injury and, more so, honored to have him on a show. I read his book When Heads Come Together Discovering Nature's Secrets for Preventing Traumatic Brain Injury, and I definitely recommend giving it a read. There will be a link in this episode description and you will also hear about the Q-Collar, which is the invention that he was a part of, to help the brain when it is impacted. So you know what? Let's get started. And really he is an incredible human being and the traumatic brain injury world was very lucky for him to use his brain to help our brains. And let's go. Welcome to the show, david.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
03:59
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Bella
Host
04:01
So, to start our show today, do you want to talk a little bit about what inspired you to help people with brain injuries?
Dr. David Smith
Guest
04:10
Well, sure, my background goes pretty far back, believe it or not. I was a competitive swimmer, ended up becoming a lifeguard and at the same time I was in the educational process to become a chemist, which you can only imagine would bore the living deadlights out of a young man otherwise. But I ended up saving a double drowning and I'll be darned if all the young mothers didn't come up and thank me and congratulate me. And all of a sudden I went from chemistry to pre-med in a blink. It just was such a fulfilling feeling and it's never ended.
04:41
I went through a medical program and then on into internal medicine, which is sort of the detective of the medical world. At this point I was up at Case Western Reserve. That's more of a juggernaut into engineering. I've been an entrepreneur, acquired assets for preventing people from bleeding And was standing in the Army Research Lab giving some results to them when the project coordinator came up to me and said you know that's a real clever Dr, dave.
05:06
He said but wow, we've put a hundred billion dollars into traumatic brain injury and a hundred years of research and we've hardly moved the needle. Can't we get clever people to try to start putting some brain power against this And one of the guys in the front row just jokingly said if somebody could figure out how a woodpecker could smack its head into a tree 80 million times, wouldn't we have this whole thing figured out? Everybody laughed except me, bella, because that told me there's an answer. Nature had the answer And six months later I did figure out how all these little creatures of the forest do it, and 19 million dollars of R&D money and 15 years of my life later we came up with the Q-collar. It's the first and only device to ever be authorized to say we block brain injury. It's pretty cool.
Bella
Host
05:56
Yeah, i think it's super fascinating. I think you're incredible. I read your book and I was just so amazed the entire time. I am a big science nerd but it's just never been the path I've been on. but I do love it And one of my favorite quotes was actually at the very beginning of your book and it said that any brain injury is a traumatic brain injury. And that's a big thing for me because you know, a lot of this stuff here is concussions and people think of mild and it's supposed to recover quickly. And do you want to talk a little bit about why there is nothing mild about a brain injury?
Dr. David Smith
Guest
06:30
Well, you look at helmets, which have done a beautiful job of what they were designed to do, which is to protect you from a skull fracture. But guess what? A bone will heal to 110%. We're talking your central nervous system. It does not have a pathway to heal itself easily And therefore people oftentimes have to allow the plasticity it's called of the brain to find a way around an injury rather than to repair that injury. And that can work to a great extent. But it can also still leave you with a different way that your brain functions after these insults.
07:06
And then the scientific academic world puts a little case M in front of TBI, meaning mild TBI, and then they've equated mild TBI to concussion, and this is just not true. So your point is well taken that these are significant injuries to the most incredible part of who you are, and it needs to be taken seriously. And it leads also to the quote of Daniel Spate, who is the largest lead author of the largest traumatic brain injury study to date out in Arizona. He pointed out that because traumatic brain injuries tend to occur in the younger population that tends to not die of their affliction, that the cost in human suffering to mankind and cost in dollars for traumatic brain injury is greater than all of strokes, all of heart attacks and all of cancer. This is a huge problem and we have not been able to solve it.
Bella
Host
08:05
No, yeah, it is a very big problem and a huge part of it is that like invisible factor that people don't realize. And you mentioned the concussion factors. People get told they're going to be better in a few weeks And then they you know, i've had so many people come on the show saying like they didn't realize something was wrong for a long time. They knew something was wrong internally but they didn't know what. You know, they didn't put together that them hitting their head or being in a car accident or slipping and falling on ice, you know, six months ago or a year ago is what was causing all their problems. And I have so many people like that and that just continues And I just continues to grow the amount of people that actually deal with this. I think statistics are super low compared to the amount of people actually suffering out there every day.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
08:52
Well, i completely agree with you. I hate to take it off into the military side of things because it's that's a small fraction of the total number of traumatic brain injuries. But in that situation, post traumatic stress disorder is probably associated with multiple head impact. And when I say a head impact it can just be a force impartation, so you don't actually have to strike your head on anything to cause the inner structure of your brain to move around within the convales of the skull and you will have suffered some level of damage. And then on top of that, the center portions of your brain called the amygdala and hippocampus. This is where your personality is. That's the most gushy part of your brain, it's the most movable, and the technologies that we've evolved here recently and realizing that mimicking what nature has done, sets out to try to keep that from moving, and that process has been a long time and coming.
Bella
Host
09:51
Yeah, I definitely agree. It is something that is continuing to change And I'm really hoping that we get to the point where everybody knows about this. You know that it's like I'm educating people, but I feel like a lot of the time I'm educating survivors, which is really important, But all those people that have no idea that you know maybe they're suffering from this, or that people around them are, and it's changed who they are in a different way, And you mentioned that like repetitive impact. We talk about that, about especially athletes who don't really, you know, you don't get a concussion, but your brain is still suffering from multiple blows in a different way And, like you said, doesn't have to be a blow And you don't have to get knocked out.
10:32
There's so many misconceptions around brain injury that still exist And I keep thinking they're gone. And then I have someone talk to me and reach out and they're like Oh, I got told to like stay in a dark room for two weeks And you know, or I didn't hit my head, I didn't black out, And I get all these comments And I'm like this still exists, Like people still don't know a lot about this, And I think it's super interesting that one of your big focuses has been nature and nature's connection with brain injuries. So if you want to talk a little bit about that I know you mentioned the woodpecker, but kind of how that all came to be.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
11:06
Well, yeah, i mean, there was that Army Research Lab, you know, being challenged. I mean, they literally threw the gauntlet down at somebody like me that just loves to figure out a mystery, right? And so I started immediately looking into woodpeckers and it turns out they've got this strange anatomy. And I googled the anatomy of the tongue apparatus of a woodpecker. I got 500,000 Google hits on just asking the question why does that woodpecker's skull and tongue look the way it does? And, strangely enough, this omohyoid apparatus, it's called, attaches to the top of the beak, goes up, separates, goes all the way back behind its skull under the ear orifice, and then attaches to the jugular, as we feel, and then comes in and out with every blow. I mean, what in the world was God in nature doing here with this strange creature?
12:00
Well, i immediately, as a medical, internal medicine specialist, knew that the omohyoid sounded familiar to me. Because, guess what? every one of us humans, in fact every mammal on the planet Earth that has a spinal column, has these muscles in their neck. And did you know? we had no idea why they're there. Our neurosurgeons hate that little muscle because when they go in to operate on the neck, for whatever reason, they have to dissect that off of big blue. That muscle's not close to the jugular, it's attached.
12:31
And it turns out that every time you yawn, your jaw opens and two muscles, called the digastric muscles, occlude your jugular veins. And then when you yawn and raise your arms above your head, then your omohyoids block off your jugulars. And I'm not just making conjecture. We studied this at Cincinnati Children's probably top five research institutes in the United States, and we demonstrated that every time you yawn you occlude those jugulars And guess what?
13:00
You fill your intracranial space just a little. It's just four milliliters, that's the size of a small egg. And all of a sudden your brain locks into place. Now we figured very early on you're not going to be able to go out on the football field and start yawn and your coach will bench you. I mean, in the military you start yawning and they're going to court Marshall. But we were able to cleverly figure out a way to mimic exactly what happens physiologically during a yawn It's harmless, you can't feel it after it's been on for a couple minutes. And yet you now have that raised intracranial volume. And then we set out to find out if that truly protected people.
Bella
Host
13:40
Which I think is so interesting, and it's amazing how we can take something that already exists and then apply it to humans in a different way, which is super fascinating. And so you kind of mentioned an egg. But something that was in your book and something that you actually showed me when we first met was the slosh theory, and in the book you have an egg and another egg, and one of them has space and one of them doesn't, with water, and what happens to the egg. So you do want to explain slosh theory in general, because I think it's something that really clicks with people once they understand it.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
14:16
It was a fun story. I actually went to the management of a local Myers and asked them if I could have permission to go into their paint department and use their paint shakers, because I had this theory that I needed to be able to show people visually and we literally ended up ultimately getting an old antique paint shaker that could shake two mason jars filled with liquid and put an egg, a fresh egg, at the bottom. But in one jar we had it partially filled and we took five percent of the water out of the other one, That's all. And we turned that sucker on and within five seconds the egg that is allowed to move around within the confines of that water had shattered and turned the entire jar to lemon meringue. That looked like right, But the jar that had the egg confined and contained it shook forever. It never broke.
15:07
And you know what this physiology is because you get into your cars every day and you put your seat belts on and your pretensioners pull you back and don't allow you to move around within the confines of your vehicle. Well, I'll be darned if our studies with animals our initial ones showed that just putting the jugular collar on we block 83 percent of brain injury during a 900G force impact, when you and I, typically on a football field get 100Gs of impact to cause an injury to us. But that still wasn't enough because woodpeckers they impart almost 1200Gs with every blow and they do it 80 million times.
Bella
Host
15:49
I think it's super fascinating, that egg thing it just clicked. It's kind of like you know you think about your brain inside your skull and how the fluid works And if you know your brain was full of fluid your brain wouldn't get to slosh around where you know that fluid's down a little bit, which our brains do have, some of that room And that's where your brain, you know, gets that sloshing movement inside And it's super fascinating and just good. Visuals. I think visuals are really helpful for a lot of people to understand science And I get so many people that ask like I don't know what has happened to me and sometimes getting an explanation can really help.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
16:28
Yeah, they say that a picture paints a thousand words. Well, a video, oh geez, it helps. Almost anybody realize what we're trying to convey. I personally like the Newton's Cradle balls, because most people have played with those before, with the steel balls descended from twine or fishing line, and you pick up the one ball and release it And it goes crashing into the four other balls And the three in the middle are left unmoved and unjossled And then other ball goes flying out the other side.
16:57
Okay, that's what we're trying to do. We're creating elastic collisions where there's no transfer of force into your brain, and that's what's critical. You know the FDA has been very, very detailed on. We had to actually exclude certain people and populations because we couldn't easily study them right, so we didn't submit data. I'm here to tell you that if you are putting yourself in harm's way where energy can impart into your space the cue collar, the sage rebreather, these technologies should be able to protect you, and you know we can't protect you against a thermonuclear warhead going off or a fire, but just about anything.
17:36
We just got a new patent on vibration, so we block vibration from entering in and damaging your brain with just a simple cue collar. We're at the 13,000 professional athletes and college athletes and military are using this device. Fort Benning, they just had this best rangers competition the 39th one and 130 of these world-class athletes all competing to be. Every one of them have cue collar. I mean it's really, really good, and I'm like the father over here on the sideline going, hey, that's my little boy. It's been a lot of fun for me to watch this.
Bella
Host
18:16
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19:28
Don't delay your recovery any longer. Find solutions at CognitiveFX today. Welcome back to the post-concussion podcast with myself, Bella Paige and today's guest Dr David Smith. So we are going to get into what the Q-Collar is, and it's quite the device, yet so simple at the same time, in a weird way. So do you want to explain what that is?
Dr. David Smith
Guest
19:52
Well, great, i actually have some. I know not everybody can see these, but these have little sleeves on them that actually make the experience even more favorable. They're made out of the nylon material that women's undergarments are made out of to make comfortable, but they also make them slippery so that they can be smoothly applied to the neck. They're applied in this manner so that we can touch just with a little tiny pressure the sternocleidomastoid muscle And everybody can just turn your head to the left and you will feel that pop out of your neck. Directly behind that is your jugular vein, and we just need a tiny amount of pressure. So if everybody looks down in the back of their hand and sees a vein popping up on the back, if you press that with your finger and collapse that vein, first of all don't scream out in pain. I'm just kidding, but you'll notice that's 30 millimeters of mercury. It's hardly anything, because that's how much fluid is pushing out against the walls of that vein. But in your jugular that column of fluid is not above it like it is on your hand, it's below it. So we only need three millimeters of pressure into your jugular. That's one tenth of what it took to put the pressure on the back of your hand and that's what the cue collar imparts. There's a memory metal inside. It can actuate opening and closing over 100,000 times and it does not deteriorate in the amount of force.
21:13
So, yes, it was intended to look almost idiot-proof. It's simple but it's elegant And what it does. We had 70 iterations before we came up with this 70. So it has an enormity of science behind it And I hope people just kind of read the science. I mean we're at 27 published articles with the likes of Cincinnati Children's and Mayo Clinic and Harvard and West Virginia University University of Toronto. I mean we've got powerful research entities that are actually doing this work with us.
Bella
Host
21:48
Which I think is so great. I like seeing a lot of research. We have a lot of things that kind of get into the brain injury world and there's one study with 100 people And that's kind of it, And there's a lot of claims that sometimes come from those studies. So to have so many, to have so much research in different ways on the device and before, like all the research that went into before its creation even, I think is incredible and so important for, like you know, it's your brain, It's such an important part of you. So to have it, you know, not researched into to like every level is kind of like disappointing sometimes. So it's great to see that it is getting all the attention that it needs, Even though, like you said, it is a collar that goes around your neck And as an athlete it seems so simple that it's like I'd be like how does this even help? But when you understand the science it makes a lot of sense.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
22:41
Well, one visual I will give your audience is the fact that think about it When you stand up, gravity makes all the fluids in your body want to go south right And that causes your eyeballs to slightly sink in, your eardrums slightly sink in. I mean, it's a very trivial amount in just the cranial space, but when you add in the spinal column it turns out to be 24 milliliters of fluid And that allows everything to start moving and sloshing. And the simple application of this completely obliterates that. We've been endorsed by the Premier La Crosse League. We've been endorsed by the Downhill Bob Sled and Skeleton International Organization.
23:24
Every time these poor people would go down a mountainside in these ice channels at the bottom, they would all get ringing in their ears, confusion and a headache. Ok, that's all gone, and apparently all of the entire national team acquired these within the first couple of days of trialing them, because they've never seen the likes of this, where they don't get it. I shoot on a shooting range on a right And I always get ringing in my ears. Even though I have an ear muff in And I've got an ear plug in, not with the cue collar All that ringing is gone. We studied this in large animals And we're able to demonstrate up to a 90% protection to the inner and outer hair cells of your inner ear, even during an IED level of force going through the brains of research and study animals. And I got to tell you there's never been any demonstration of protection with other type of audiological protection mechanism. So this is really revolutionary And it's time It's due. We needed a different look at how people are treating and managing and protecting against traumatic brain Injury. I think you're going to love me saying it's enabled me to see a way of reversing it. So, believe it or not, the secondary physiology and technology that we've started understanding and researching is the CO2 issues. Look at head-ramming sheep. We figured them out. Giraffes are also head-ramming animals. Bats and birds have actually figured out how to retain and hold on to higher levels of CO2, because that again protects their brain. And then everything else.
25:03
I started working with Jed Hardings. He's the head of the Neurotrauma Research Center here in the University of Cincinnati. He's a world authority on spreading depolarizations, which is a big word for how the brain dies, and we for the first time altered spreading depolarizations in the young 26-year-old that was termed brain dead, and I had given a talk to the Neurotrauma team the month before And Jed Hardings said hey, gosh, remember that woodpecker died. You know what? Can we just go ahead? before we label this young gentleman, this unfortunate guy that has been labeled brain dead? They're taking him off the equipment. They went in, got permission from the family, we brought the CO2 level of this individual up to head-ramming sheep height And his spreading depolarizations disappeared in four hours And he woke up the next day. And that is the kind of stuff that gives me goosebumps, to even tell this. I mean, i just love this stuff, what I'm doing and what we hopefully are going to be able to offer people going forward.
Bella
Host
26:05
Yeah, I think it's amazing. And the cue collar isn't amazing. It's very incredible how it can really help people And it is important. The cue collar is meant to protect the inside of you. The helmet is meant to protect the outside shell, So we ought to put them together And then you have a lot more protection than you had at the beginning. So you've been talking about the CO2. And so what really is the future of things? you've been talking in your book. You talk about the sage rebreather. So you want to talk about what that is and what people can picture in their mind.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
26:43
So full disclosure this is an experimental device. The FDA has not had an opportunity to see any of the data that we're developing, and so please don't accept what I'm about to tell you as the gospel. It's just in research at the present time. This is a one again for those that can actually see it. It's a little device that forms channels of air coming in and out to your mouth that adds what's called dead space. The people we don't know why we have sinuses. Why did God and nature put sinuses in there? I mean, why are they there? Well, they actually add a rebreathing space called dead space that raises or lowers your CO2 levels. Well, we can now artificially help manipulate what we want that CO2 level to be in any particular case.
27:33
And me, for example, i went up the top of Pike's Peak at 14,200 feet. I'm an all-American swimmer. I couldn't walk across the parking lot up there. I had such severe altitude sickness I couldn't even put one foot in front of another. just trying to get over to the observation deck. I thought, oh boy, i'll get my sage rebreather. in two minutes. all my symptoms are gone, all of them gone.
27:59
That is the physiological mechanism of allowing me to manipulate and have control over how much rebreathing we all do. We all do it, but we have a way of doing it And it's that enablement, where we can manipulate that, that we started realizing that what if we had a traumatic brain injury and I could manipulate your CO2 in the first 10 minutes of your injury? So we know that we call them heart attacks. when you have a heart attack, we now call these brain attacks. right, there's an urgency involved and there's these chemical cascades that your body goes through And we now believe we can actually interfere with that chemical cascade and potentially have what we're taglining as CPR for the brain, that, if we can get these medical devices someday, you know, demonstrate their efficacy and safety.
Bella
Host
28:49
I think the best part about this I know it was at the beginning of your book too about like how these things can be invented, but it takes a lot of time and it takes a lot of creativity to like get to that point in the amount of research that goes behind them. A lot of people don't realize that part about you know, you see a device, and even you mentioned with the Q-Color like it took years. That wasn't just created overnight. It didn't come from like oh, we have an idea. Here's the product. It takes a lot of time, i think I had hair back when I first.
29:19
Yeah, there you go.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
29:20
You can see, that's not the case now. One thing I would love to be able to leave you and your audience with is the coolest thing that I just submitted a patent for, and it's the ability to facilitate the glymphatic system. So this one has to do with, literally an attempt to enable the brain to repair itself. So anyone who has suffered a traumatic brain injury hasn't heard a whole lot today about what's the future there, dave.
29:47
Well, believe it or not, the glymphatic system is how the brain takes out the trash, and we only realized how the brain does this in 2014. So a brilliant woman called Macon-Needer Garden came up with the realization of how moving cerebral spinal fluid away from the brain, down the spinal column and out the body, and they found that this was active when you are asleep, in bed, because we really don't know why we all sleep, and it turns out that when you lie down at sleep, you move your cerebral spinal fluid about three millimeters in an eight-hour period, where the technology we're playing with right now moves the cerebral spinal fluid 120 millimeters in one second, and so we believe we've come up with some ways to cause a marked cleansing, if you will, if there's a damage going on, or if there have been one in the past, we might be able to help the brain help itself, and that's the excitement of the glymphatic system. We might be able to help in that discussion.
Bella
Host
30:50
Mm-hmm. I think it's super important that after side part of all this because that's where I live for a long time, it's where a lot of people that I helped live is that they've had a head injury, they've had a brain injury and now they're living with it. So I think it's great on the prevention side, but it's also great on the healing, recovery side, because recovery for brain injury is complicated. It's argued a lot. There's a lot of different conversations going around there.
31:18
I could probably talk about that for days, about brain opinions on how to make a concussion and a brain injury get better and recovery and what to do, what not to do. I've talked to scientists, researchers across the globe and can't say they all agree on a lot of it, and that's just because it's so complicated. But I do want to thank you. We've talked about so much today, from nature's connection with head injuries and brain injuries to some crazy, incredible inventions and one that is actually out today for people. So I just want to thank you so much for joining us today and thank you for dedicating so much of your time to all of this.
Dr. David Smith
Guest
31:57
Well, thank you. You're doing a wonderful job for humanity. I love your show and keep it up, and I'm more than happy to come back anytime.
Bella
Host
32:05
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